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« on: 16 October 2020, 21:30 »

I have some observations on the Epic Drow Warrior shape.

It is listed as having Darkness, Spell Resistance and Tensers Transformation.
Tensers is the only good thing about its abilities (although it is not the same as the wizard spell it is still good)
In doesn't actually have Darkness, it has Light which applies a -5 to hide checks to the target.  Somewhat pointless.  Still, it better than Spell Resistance which actually replaces the shapes innate value of 30 with that of your Shifter level, so it will never be an improvement.  Totally pointless.

Can we change the pointless abilities please?  Either by increasing their benefit or by replacing them with say Darkness and Ultravision?
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« Reply #1 on: 16 October 2020, 22:03 »

Be careful what you wish for Smiley the light spell is actually a very powerful spell with a high caster level which IMO is the better use of the Drow shape.

The changes to the light spell on the server mean the following:
- Applies a -20 Hide penalty when targeted on a creature
- At caster level 31, summons a Firefly with 200 Hit Points per caster level over 30

The -20 hide works nicely for the Drow shape as they are geared towards being able to spot stealth npcs or hips'ers so is a nice tactic to be able to use.

And onto the other benefit of light... the firefly...to give an example if you have a Drow build that is caster based, such as bard or something, you can get a caster level of 35 (for example) which gives you the ability to infinitely cast a 1000hp damage shield in the form of a firefly that is immune to sneak attack and critical hits. Sure if you are in tensers you can't cast it repeatedly but believe me this is an extremely useful asset to have and I will unlikely change it because it's use has been proven very well (I'm not sure if people have forgotten about it though). We used this tactic to take down some of the toughest bosses such as Smaug. It has also been used to solo some bosses.

And going on to the spell resistance spell, again using an example of a 35 caster, that will give you a SR of somewhere in the mid 40s which is great for avoiding things like WOF against similar level casters. I think this shape originally had haste, but when perma-haste was added to the mod I replaced it with SR.

Looks like you've found some things that need a little TLC in the forum (Spell Resistance spell is missing from the spell changes thread) and I need to check the changes to drow in terms of spells.

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« Reply #2 on: 16 October 2020, 22:56 »

On checking the Spell Resistance spell it is a stock spell here so there are not modifications, which is why it is not listed on the spell changed thread, but yes a 35 level caster Drow will get a nice SR of 47 from this spell.
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« Reply #3 on: 17 October 2020, 00:09 »

Thankyou for the detailed reply, I redact my request Cheesy

I'm actually building a Drow specialised Bard so I look forward to enjoying the overlooked benefits of the abilities!

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« Reply #4 on: 17 October 2020, 11:51 »

One of my personal favourites toons I built was a Drow bard. It was such a good all rounded character. Fun to play and a great party asset as well as being able to solo some parts of the mod.

From memory I think it had an ab of 58 or 60 and an AC of 86. I also built it with Improved expertise so if needed it could get an AC of 96 which is high enough to tank a lot in the mod bar the very tough bosses.

Throw in the firefly and SR you can see how useful it becomes. I'll see if I can dig the specific build out and I'll try and post it.
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« Reply #5 on: 17 October 2020, 21:29 »

AB and AC sounds about the same as I am getting.  Does seem to be a good rounded build and a good addition to a party.  I haven't taken expertise with mine pre-epic, but maybe I will have to factor it in.  Also I dont think 14 int is enough for all the skills!!  As I am taking taunt and concentration and hadn't planned for spot/listen...

Now I did go and check on the Spell Resistance issue and it isnt working properly for me.  Maybe I am doing something wrong or the character is bugged somehow, but the character sheet is showing SR of 47 having cast the ability as caster level 35, and when put to the test is acting as SR of 16  Cry

Having cast the ability:
https://ibb.co/zxzsVnP

Combat log SR check:
https://ibb.co/2SJ1Qyf
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« Reply #6 on: 18 October 2020, 15:15 »

I've checked 2 shifters that have identical druid/shifter levels.  One shows correct SR, the other shows it calculated wrong and lower.  Very strange.
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