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« on: 09 November 2020, 09:48 »

Posting this in rogue builds section, because it is very similar to the build Thiagow just posted (we were actually in test area together, 2 little midgets haha). And even though it doesn't have rogue class, it's certainly rogue-ish.

Race: brownie, of course!

Starting stats:
str 8
dex 24
con 16
int 14
cha 13 (cannot go lower, brownie)
wis 11 (cannot go lower, brownie)

Put all points in dex to reach 48 (with great dex)

Final stats will be:
ab 71 (74 with tenser), 8 attacks (9 with tenser)
update: ab 70 if taking kukri, which I now checked is much nicer dmg!
ac 85 while raging (test area, approx 87 in server)
70% conceal

Used dagger in test area, but with similar choices as described by Thiagow in his bg/rogue/hs build, you can also take kukri and sacrifice some feats like great dex/blind fight/epic sf discipline.

lvl 1: barb - iron will - always max your disc when taking barb lvls
lvl 2: barb
lvl 3: barb - alertness
lvl 4: barb
lvl 5: barb
lvl 6: barb - weapon focus (dagger)
lvl 7: barb
lvl 8: barb
lvl 9: barb - improved crit (dagger)
lvl 10: barb
lvl 11: barb
lvl 12: barb - knockdown
lvl 13: barb - hide 8 / ms 8
lvl 14: assassin - always max tumble when taking assassin lvls
lvl 15: assassin - improved knockdown
lvl 16: assassin
lvl 17: assassin
lvl 18: assassin - blind fight
lvl 19: assassin
lvl 20: assassin - persuade 8 / lore 6 / search 4
lvl 21: harper - epic wf (dagger), harper bonus feat: great dex
lvl 22: harper
lvl 23: harper
lvl 24: harper - armor skin
lvl 25: harper - harper bonus feat: great dex
lvl 26: barb
lvl 27: assassin - blinding speed
lvl 28: assassin
lvl 29: assassin
lvl 30: assassin - esf: discipline
lvl 31: assassin
lvl 32: assassin
lvl 33: assassin - great dex, assassin bonus feat: great dex
lvl 34: assassin
lvl 35: assassin
lvl 36: assassin - great dex
lvl 37: assassin - assassin bonus feat: great dex
lvl 38: assassin
lvl 39: assassin - choose: exotic wpn from start and go kukri end with one less ab, or take prowess
lvl 40: barb

you have plenty of skills, I took (for instance):
disc 43
tumble 40
umd and search 20
open lock 42
spellcraft (for saves) 20

But you can take whatever you want..

Playing tip: spam knockdown so that you trigger the 12d6 death attack from assassin. This build kind of needs it for dmg output. In team fights you will always have them, if you have a tank of course.
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« Reply #1 on: 09 November 2020, 14:07 »

1 handed or dualwielwding? If dualwielding, remember to max out parry and get improved two wepaon fighting. You gain AB for dualwielding with max parry, think its atleast +2 ab which does not count toward the ab cap. It works with 18 levels of ranger/rogue/assassin (I THINK it works with assassin)
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« Reply #2 on: 09 November 2020, 16:10 »

It is not dual wielding, but using large shield (brownie cannot lift a tower shield.. the question is: can tower shields lift brownies?).

Btw: do you have a link to that ab increase from parry? I know that it gives an armor increase in some classes (i think the ones you mention), but ab i didn't know..


Update: just checked, the parry AC bonus is for ranger and rogue only. Not for assassin.
Update 2: actually you are right, there is a 2ab bonus for dual wielding when having 18 lvls combined ranger/rogue. I don't think you need parry for that btw.. In any case, the +2 ab is only applied to the off-hand if I recall correctly. I think I remember seeing weird attack rolls where the offhand attack has higher ab than main hand. A nice buff, sure, but not super.
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« Reply #3 on: 09 November 2020, 16:26 »

Actually no bad input, Sky. Your info about ranger and dual wield.. I'm thinking of swapping out barbarian for ranger would make sense. Going to loose 5% conceal this way, but when taking

ranger 19 (16 pre-epic) / assassin 16 / hs 5

I think ab would be comparable (ranger bless/aid?), but ac would be better (no rage) and attacks per round the same because of off-hand. Shield ac would be compensated by parry. Will try it later and report back.
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« Reply #4 on: 10 November 2020, 00:38 »

I actually made this last night after you logged. Same levels but different lvling scheme.

I got 15 barb pre-epic, then assassin till 19, 4 hs 1 assassin and last hs. I also dropped IKD for Toughness and skill focus discipline and also got epic skill focus discipline.

Starting stats were different too. I went with 14 con 16 int and 25 dex. Will max at 50 dex if im not mistaken.

With regards to items i sacrificed ac amulet for dex. That allowed me to pretty much max str/dex/con/int from items alone. 7 less AC though but I could maximize discipline. I think im getting +47 from items alone plus +15 from focused so I dont really have to worry about KDs
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« Reply #5 on: 10 November 2020, 08:19 »

I noticed on nwn wiki on the web that KD can only be performed on enemies up to one size category larger than yourself. With IKD I think you count as one size higher, which should mean that you can actually KD trolls, ogres and other giant subraces. With that in mind, I guess I'll stick with it, because a prone target will trigger sweet sneak attack.

Changing the lvling scheme is indeed an option. I wanted HS asap so that you get those potions early, greatly improving dmg and ac. In terms of pre-epic ab, it doesn't matter if you take 13 or 15 barb, because you'll take the assassin's +0 twice either way (on lvl 1 and 5).

But really nice additions! Opens up room for minor choices by players.
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« Reply #6 on: 10 November 2020, 10:21 »

OK, so also did the similar build but with ranger instead of barbarian. I'll post finding here in short, maybe I'll post the build on separate thread later.

Final class lvls: ranger 19 / assassin 16 / hs 5

Attack comparison with barbarian build:
barb 70/65/60/55 70/65/60/55
rang 66/61/56/51 68/63/66/61
Not sure what to make of this. Barb max ab is highest, but nr of attacks above 60 is the same and the ranger actually does not look bad at all either with the off-hand buff.

AC comparison:
barb 85 with rage on (on server probably 88)
rang 86 (on server probably 88, not 89 because no shield)

Notable diffs:
Ranger does not have annoying 4x rage to get max ab, instead it uses longer lasting aid spell (which can be dispelled contrary to rage).
Conceal is 65% for ranger, down from 70% for barb.
Ranger seems a bit more versatile, with some nice call-out player tool 3 and the cure serious wounds spell changes (did anybody ever cast this on a mob: its heals are quite insane!)
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« Reply #7 on: 11 November 2020, 16:13 »

I've got a question about some of the issues mentioned in this build.  When I look at playable builds today, I almost solely focus on what will help with a boss or boss level area.  There's no more PVP, so it's really a pvBOSS server, right?

KD - which boss or difficult boss area will let you get away with a Knockdown?  My big hitter, dragons, etc. can't knock down even minor bosses. 

Ranger 66 AB and dispellable vs Barbarian 70 AB non-dispellable - the extra 4 AB on a boss is a big deal, and that which can be dispelled will be dispelled in a lot of tough areas.

Thoughts?

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« Reply #8 on: 11 November 2020, 22:24 »

KD: the tougher bosses often also come with fairly tough adds around them, that need to be killed ASAP. Those can be neutralized effectively with KD, as I experienced this week when we successfully attacked Barad Dur. Also, KD is very useful on casters.

Also, it helps this particular build greatly while solo leveling, because it trigger 3 sneak attacks per round that greatly increase dmg output on this dexer. But hey, if KD is not your thing, just replace it with other nice feats like toughness/skill focus as Thiagow suggests. That will also work well.

About the dispell of ranger: that is why I started the barb version yesterday. I couldn't agree more with your remark: everything that can be dispelled...

Edit: and maybe one last remark to put my builds in context. I try to also have fun / adventure while I lvl my way to 40. These days I cannot spend time like 15 years ago, which means the grind to 40 needs to be enjoyable as well. For sure feats like KD (but probably others as well) that have less use in endgame boss fight are very nice around lvl 20. You will not often see me roaming the osgilliath graveyard for hours on end.
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