Why dont YOU play?

[CARNAGE]

Well i still play even though i hade a long break and are busy with some other projects.
Ive played here for quite long time and miss some old players i would like to call friends, ingame that is:)

So......

1-Where have  you all gone, come back to forum atleast?

2-Why dont you play?

3-You play nwn at all now days?

4-Are you unhappy about changes made in mod?

5-Are you glad that they finally made some drastical changes to mod?

6-What would make you come back and play again?


Would be great to see some answers here and please dont point fingers to any one, just give simple honest answers on the questions and if for some reason you have to name some one just mark with xxxxxx insted.

I just wanna say that i have hade my best and funiest experiences playing nwn on this mod.

[Snake]

1. In between heaven and hell

2. nwn is boring...

3. Nope

4. no

5. yes

6. when gvm3 is created on either nwn3 or dragon age 

[pinkpuff]

1 - Around.
2 - No longer worth my time.
3 - Yes, a very different server.
4 - Yes/No - Horrid changes forced upon players is always bad - but gives me good reason to walk away.
5 - No. There is a difference between drastic changes and a NEW mod. GvM was taken from us and replaced by someone else's idea of what nwn should be.
6 - Nothing.

[charliebuckett]

1. Live
2. Starting over made me want to poke my eyes out.  Wasting hours and hours to get items to be effective enough to play correctly didn't seem worth it....again.
3.  Nada
4. Yes
5. not much but I was surpised a couple of level 40's weren't given to people.  Esp. to donors of the server.

Side note...this post is a waste of time the powers that be will not listen.  because they are never wrong.

[ShinsFortress]

Slight exagerration there Charliebucket!  

Anyways....

1)  Early middle age.  Recently married.  SE England, UK.  Advanced career.  ...  Define "where".

2)  a) Increasing focus on PvP (PvP is fine if you like, but it's not my *main* focus).
     b) Resurgence of poor conduct (especially by players).
     b) Poor enforcement.
     c) A couple other reasons that are possibly 'flammable' and I think not good to mention here.

3)  Yes (not GvM).

4)  Some of them.

5)  Yes.  I might not like where GvM has ended up, but the figures speak for themselves.  There are (last time I looked) more people online than before the wipe.

6)  Demonstrably more effective enforcement, less emphasis on PvP, less (not none!) work on balancing classes*, more work on keeping items in check, and one or two other things.  In short, several things that I think have little or no chance of changing in a direction I would prefer.

*  Personally, I don't mind Mages having the edge over warriors.  I think they are more complicated to play, so there's a payoff.  As for PvP, if I play a mage and win, less kudos for me.  If I play a warrior, more.  <expletive deleted> to PvP stats, just play the game and enjoy each fight on a fight-by-fight basis.

[CARNAGE]

Shins i updated the question.

There is a reason i asked these questions, a reason i will tell about later but first of all i would like to see many and i mean MANY replys to this post

[pinkpuff]

Well then.


I would still play IF...

My character vault wasn't empty.

There were no Devs with personal agendas or the inability to listen.

The new scripts were something special and not a download from the vault.

PVP wasn't always the main focus.

The community was more than just a handful of "Yes Sirs"

The server was actually worth donating to.

The point of playing was to actually get into and conquer either Gondor or Mordor

There were no devs that would simply laugh when you say something has gone too far or is too hard

Any MAJOR changes that were to be made would be announced prior and either voted upon or suggestions taken

Basically I would come back and play if it was GvM again, like back in the time when it was Arwen, hfodf, ronin, and aleph being the people who made the final decisions. The server was fun then. I enjoyed logging in and talking to them, versus logging in and dreading even seeing their text or what kind of crap they will pull.

The fun stopped when all sorts of things were being added in that obviously weren't tested or approved by anyone other than the person who put it in. The mummy....tensers at first.....barbarians with 10 attacks using 1 weapon....clerics getting 2 more attacks with divine power....static 74 ab fighters....  Everytime something was added to "balance" the classes the overall balance was thrown even further into chaos. Insane areas with insane items were added in, and the end result was a wipe. Which I'm sure will be amazingly successful with the exact same people managing post wipe as the ones who allowed it to spiral out of control pre wipe.

Carnage if you want to put up your GvM or another mod that you made just make sure you do one thing. Listen to the players and never be a dictator unless you want a server full of "yes sirs" and other mindless sheep. If you want to have a successful server you will need players that aren't afraid to say your hard work is junk regardless of how hard you worked on it. If you dont ask for suggestions or keep players updated on what you are doing don't be surprised when not many people are happy with what you have done, especially if they donate. But then again you can always fall back on the people with low expectations, they will always be around as long as some sort of similarity remains.
 

[pinkpuff]

 <expletive deleted> to PvP stats, just play the game and enjoy each fight on a fight-by-fight basis.

I agree with this completely as well. Pvp stats are a bit stupid to me, just another way to make one small facet of the game seem as tho its the most important. Not to mention how absolutely horrible they currently look with all sorts of ridiculous complications and loopholes. Its a pvp sheet for a freaking game server, not the preface to a manual on quantum physics.



Thats another thing Carnage, dont try to appear crazy intelligent on forums where you have hours to type something up and make it look good and then in game only use terms like "lol". Appearances are a good thing, don't allow yourself to look like a fool.

[{AR}SkeeJ2]

I've come up with more reasons why I don't wanna play, and just deleted it.

My first reason is a lot of people I knew left.

The second reason is all the changes, I actually liked the imbalance. I liked fighters, and liked trying to do stuff with them even tho they were underpowered. I think all the changes were unnecessary.

When Digger left I didn't find it as much fun. When Ghost left, I really didn't like that either. He was really cool, he didn't log on that much but he was awesome. Then when Rade left, I just didn't want to play anymore.

So, that's why I'm not playing.

If Rade came back I'd probably play.

[bad_karma]

Not answering the questions one-by-one, but just a short synopsis of my experiences:

-I played here for a long time and had great fun, both with the world as it was presented and the players found there.
-I left because of time constraints
-I returned just before the wipe, because I just couldn't help myself 
-After the wipe it seemed nice to help the server get "back on its feet" so to speak.. In my opinion a server needs a nice supply of lvl 40s showing off nice gear and farming.. I can't explain why.. It's just a nice atmosphere. I always liked talking about the hard bosses we could go kill for those uber-items! And the 4 lvl 40s raiding a city while some of the higher lvl chars of the other side would hurry to kick us out again!
- Now I have a lvl 32 and a lvl 20 (resp. Mordor and Gondor) and I find the world MUCH harder to beat! For now I still experience this difficulty as fun.. But my lvl 40 had better whoop some serious ass once he makes final lvl  If he wont I'll probably stop playing. I'm not a lazy player (I think) but you have to be able to feel the satisfaction following your hard work instead of still getting a beating every time..

General remarks:
- I agree with Skeevy that imbalance never bothered me much. The fun of finding builds that would work with the right set of uber-items was ample compensation. And if I really was bothered with somebody pvping me I would simply log one of my own cheat-builds (I call every overpowered build a cheatbuild  , dragons, shieldmages etc) and return the favor.
- I like a lot of the changes made to certain classes, although I think some of them may be a bit over the top.. You can see which of them are over the top by looking at the builds that are currently being built. But hey! Who cares as long as I'm having fun??

[ManiacK]

- I'm still somewhat alive at the forums
- time and interests have shifted somewhat
- Nope
- I think the changes brought positive as well as negative changes to the module, but you can't please everyone.
- It is a new challenge to try and create the best build possible, the old GvM was pretty much established which builds performed pretty well.
- More time on my side probably.

[charliebuckett]

Any one esle realize if there isn't a flame war going on the boards are completely dead...   The last couple of nights I saw 6, 4, and 4 people on the server...

[MasterThief]

I would rather just play than post on the forums, starts off constructive then gets abusive    most of the people i see online never post anyway, wise policy 

Numbers have been a bit quiet over the last few days (bout 10 on last night at its peak) not bad at the week-ends though.

[Noruas]

because we are working to earn our life.... and because of some stupid people (who have played with virtual money) we must work far away from our house....
but week end coming soon 
last week end to improve my pvp stats, so beware gondies, I will be back (6 hour to wait now)....

[CARNAGE]

Thats another thing Carnage, dont try to appear crazy intelligent on forums where you have hours to type something up and make it look good and then in game only use terms like "lol". Appearances are a good thing, don't allow yourself to look like a fool.

Please enlighten me some more what you mean?
Yoe seem to be very fast in judging people you dont know?

Just as info though, i have 6 children where 2 is old enough to do everything them self and the other 4 needs my attention quite often. Ingame for me means i have to run away from comp instantly now and then and i dont spend to much time in chatting, aspecially not now when i wanted to start some new toons again and my time are very limited as i have some other projects going on to. Last 4 weeks i have suffered from a broken arm and offcourse my main one haha, in those 4 weeks ive been quite busy in toolset as i really love using it:) Im shite at scripting though but my dear friend ManiacK helpes me a little:) Took the damn stuff of the arm yesterday so now we will see

Seee yas

[pinkpuff]

No no, you are fine Carnage. Was referring to how a couple noobs around here act, avoid looking like them 

[CARNAGE]

Ok thanks hehe

For info i have tried to get in contact with rade, so rade if you see this throw me a pm.

Please post more comments around the questions i made in the begining of this subject.
Feel free to make other comments and ideas to on why you dont play.

Have fun all